You'll Never Believe Me But...

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Cutter 0:22
Good morning, good afternoon and good evening everyone. My name is Cutter, though you may know me as three bears in a coat on air on HD one, and welcome to this special bonus episode of You'll Never Believe Me But.

Cutter 0:54
Now, this is normally the part where I explain all the rules to You'll Never Believe Me But but this isn't a storytelling episode. Like I said, it's a bonus episode, think of it as some other like extra content that you'd see on DVD or anything like that. It is not a traditional storytelling episode. And it is not the start of season two. Believe me, season two is coming very, very soon. So keep your eyes, ears, and notifications peeled for that. But this is just a special bonus episode, some bonus content from You'll Never Believe Me But for you, that is just a really great interview that I had with someone who featured very heavily in season one of You'll Never Believe Me But, now not gonna reveal who it is, you will have to listen at least a little bit into the interview that I had with this very wonderful guest to find out. But it was a great interview. And I was so, so grateful to have this person come on to the show, and talk a little bit about how they experienced things from their end as a big part of one of my two stories. So just stay tuned for that listening. It's a great time. It's a great interview. And again, a lovely guest so many, many thanks to you for coming on. You know who you are. And you're all actually about to find out. I guess without further ado, let's hear this interview.

Cutter 2:10
Welcome to a very, very special bonus episode of You'll Never Believe Me But. I am Cutter better known as three bears in a coat live on air on HD one and I am joined by the most special of guests, I would like to very pridefully introduce you to someone you may know as Grace's mom, which is not entirely correct. Mrs. McCauley, how're you doing?

Mrs. McCauley 2:39
I'm fine. I'm happy to be here and support all that you guys are doing.

Cutter 2:46
It is so lovely to have you, with this whole story that was so motivated by you. And that ended up becoming such an important part of what I do here at the radio station. I'm so glad that you came down for Parents Weekend. We're recording this on Parents Weekend. And I get to sit here and talk to you.

Mrs. McCauley 3:05
Well, I'm so glad to be on campus and things are sort of back to normal. Last year. We're from out of state. So we didn't have any preconceived notions about how it is to be here. But we went to the game last night and it was great. School spirit. And so happy to be here.

Cutter 3:23
Yeah, absolutely. I'm very happy to have you and of course happy you're enjoying State campus. But really, for me, I want to get to know you because as much as I have spent time talking about you, which is probably in the neighborhood of 10s of hours at this point. As a result of the podcast and telling the story and people asking me questions about it. It's it's been probably a good deal of time.

Mrs. McCauley 3:24
Hilarious.

Cutter 3:25
Hilarious. I don't know you, this is the first time we've ever met in person. Of course, you know, that does get a little squirrely when considering the story and that I met you.

Mrs. McCauley 4:02
Oh, you're my friend Cutter.

Cutter 4:03
Yes, of course. Yeah, I was actually going to ask about that. I talk with Gabby pretty often, Gabby, Grace, whoever you know, that's Gabby is Grace's real name. That's who she is as a real person. No, I talked with Gabby a lot, your daughter and you will oftentimes, she said, You'll oftentimes say how's my friend Cutter.

Mrs. McCauley 4:23
Oh, yeah.

Cutter 4:24
That is amazing. And it's true.

Mrs. McCauley 4:27
It's true. And it was, right from the beginning when she finally got on campus in the fall that I was like, Hey, have you seen my friend Cutter? Like it's not even just cutter? It's my friend Cutter. But that's the first name actually. So I mean,

Cutter 4:40
Hey, I'll take it. I appreciate it.

Mrs. McCauley 4:42
And again, you guys, you know, the fall semester was sort of,

Cutter 4:46
Sure. Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 4:47
Truncated and short and then she didn't come home. She was staying at her grandparents house so she was sort of away from me.

Cutter 4:54
Oh, interesting.

Mrs. McCauley 4:55
Yeah. Which is not it's like 20 minutes from us, but she stayed there and so she wasn't with us. So, again, I couldn't ask about my friend Cutter.

Cutter 5:02
Right, sure

Mrs. McCauley 5:03
When we moved her in in the spring, and things sort of got a little bit, you know,

Cutter 5:09
Yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 5:09
More on campus experience, but I didn't. I just assumed she had told you the story. She was like, because she's like, oh, yeah, you know, we had this Ben Franklin thing, and I saw Cutter. I'm like, Oh, my friend Cutter. And she's like, Yeah, your friend Cutter. And then I didn't realize you didn't know the story. Yeah. Everyone's like, you gotta tell him, and I'm like, Gabriella. And we honestly, we don't call her Gabby. We call her G or Gabriella.

Cutter 5:36
Okay, sure. Sure. No, all good, totally understood.

Mrs. McCauley 5:40
I said, What do you mean, you know, I didn't know that she needed to tell her, tell you, but I didn't realize everybody else knew.

Cutter 5:47
Right. Sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 5:48
And I was like, G, what do you what are you doing? Like, you're just gonna, you know? And you know her, she's sort of, like, it's fine. It's fine.

Cutter 5:56
Yeah. Absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 5:58
I'm like, it's clearly something people are talking about? And I don't know. I don't know my friend Cutter well, and

Cutter 6:03
Of course, of course

Mrs. McCauley 6:05
What do you mean, everyone's talking about that your mom knew me. And I have to say like, that whole. I don't know if you want to get into that now. But the whole, she, her job was the summer of her freshman year.

Cutter 6:16
She worked it into it.

Mrs. McCauley 6:17
Yeah. She worked at a bed and breakfast that my friend owned.

Cutter 6:21
Interesting. Okay. Well, that sounds that sounds lovely.

Mrs. McCauley 6:24
Well, she was just the laundry girl like she was-

Cutter 6:26
Oh. Huh, okay.

Mrs. McCauley 6:28
Because of the COVID regulations, like, you couldn't touch the towel twice. And all the stuff that she was doing laundry from eight to two every day. So it wasn't even

Cutter 6:36
That does not, yeah

Mrs. McCauley 6:37
You can't like set up a zoom call and pretend that you're paying attention.

Cutter 6:41
Right. Of course, sure

Mrs. McCauley 6:42
She was just like, and again, being out of state. We didn't know anybody, right?

Cutter 6:46
Right. Yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 6:46
We didn't know any Benjamin Franklin scholars.

Cutter 6:48
Of course, of course

Mrs. McCauley 6:48
So there was no anything. So there was nothing to go on. So she's like, just go to this meeting. And I get into the Zoom call on her computer.

Cutter 6:48
Right. Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 6:54
And it propagates her name? Like I didn't try-

Cutter 7:04
Yeah, no, it autofills that sort of stuff

Mrs. McCauley 7:06
Fills in the blank. So I just went with that.

Cutter 7:08
Yeah, sure. That's fine.

Mrs. McCauley 7:10
Again, I was just sort of taking notes on whatever and it really was informative, and Dr. Bassett was talking or whatever and said, We're gonna go into breakout groups. And, have you ever been in a breakout group before? Because.

Cutter 7:25
Oh, wonderful.

Mrs. McCauley 7:27
That's not my job, that happens at my job. But I was like,

Cutter 7:29
Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 7:30
I totally panicked. I, and it's not like a call to be like, can I hang up? Are we done?

Cutter 7:36
No, it's over.

Mrs. McCauley 7:37
Right. It's over, and someone's gonna ask me a question.

Cutter 7:40
Yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 7:40
That I do not know. Of course. So I uh, we were actually at the beach also. So I,

Cutter 7:47
Oh, interesting.

Mrs. McCauley 7:48
The dogs were there. And I think Max was there.

Cutter 7:52
Wow.

Mrs. McCauley 7:53
The place is not that big. So I'm like, I'm gonna go out front and sit, which is almost in the parking lot and sit, don't bother me because I can't, you know. Nobody else had on their camera, thankfully.

Cutter 8:04
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 8:05
If you had turned on your camera.

Cutter 8:07
Yeah, of course.

Mrs. McCauley 8:08
I'd have been like, well, they'd kick us out. Like I can't. I don't even know. I think I would have just said, Oh, I lost connection and hung up.

Cutter 8:13
Yeah, I think I think that would have been totally fine.

Mrs. McCauley 8:16
So.

Cutter 8:17
Amazing.

Mrs. McCauley 8:19
Like, I have really, and the person that was the facilitator of the group

Cutter 8:25
Yes, sure. Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 8:26
That was the one person we- so when Gabriella got into NC State, it was the only admitted students day that we got to come to before COVID shut everything down.

Cutter 8:36
Oh, okay.

Mrs. McCauley 8:37
And we had actually met that young lady.

Cutter 8:39
Really?

Mrs. McCauley 8:39
Yes.

Cutter 8:40
That's fascinating.

Mrs. McCauley 8:40
I was like, I have a visual on this person. Okay, this- I can do this. For some reason that made it more,

Cutter 8:45
No, I think that's totally fair.

Mrs. McCauley 8:46
The fact that I "knew" the facilitator of our breakout room like okay, I can, I can work around it.

Cutter 8:52
Yeah, much easier. Absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 8:53
But again, I was totally muted because I was at work

Cutter 8:56
Of course, of course

Mrs. McCauley 8:57
As, as Gabby and so, I, I don't- you said the thing that you were like, I didn't answer one of the questions. I don't remember that. I don't remember not knowing where I was living.

Cutter 9:09
Huh. Okay.

Mrs. McCauley 9:10
I knew, I knew she was in the women in the WISE.

Cutter 9:15
Oh, okay. Okay. That may have been me misremembering, honestly.

Mrs. McCauley 9:18
I don't remember. I just remember him being like, please do not turn on the cameras or ask me something. I don't know. And fortunately, I, Gabriella and I do sound a lot alike,

Cutter 9:30
Yes. Yeah. Absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 9:31
Like, our voices are very similar.

Cutter 9:32
Absolutely, yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 9:33
I don't know that you'd be like, what? You sound totally different than you did in the Zoom call.

Cutter 9:37
There was no, there was no yeah. When I met her, you know, in person. I started talking to her. And when I, you know, because we had a class together first semester, the Ben Franklin class. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't noticeably different. You know, it had been a month, two months,

Mrs. McCauley 9:52
Right.

Cutter 9:53
And I was like, Yeah, I remember meeting this girl on the Zoom and, you know, whatever. And then we met in person. I was like, I think I'd gotten used to her actual voice over zoom like throughout the class, so it never- there were, like there was never an alarm bell in my head that anything could have been wrong.

Mrs. McCauley 10:07
Yeah, we don't have a discerning accent

Cutter 10:08
Right, right.

Mrs. McCauley 10:09
So, yeah, that I felt comfortable with that part. I really did. I don't, I don't even know. Like, what her reaction was when I said I just pretended to be you. You know? Like, again, she, I'm sure was not surprised that I just went with it and was like, what? Whatever. She just probably rolled her eyes. I'm like, it's fine. This will never come up again.

Cutter 10:09
Sure, of course.

Mrs. McCauley 10:16
No one will ever say

Cutter 10:21
No one will ever notice

Mrs. McCauley 10:33
There will never be a radio podcast about this conversation. That will never happen. Water under the bridge.

Cutter 10:45
Yeah, naturally, it won't come up again. And of course, I came along and decided to take this and make it into this, you know, wild wacky tale of uh,

Mrs. McCauley 10:56
Well, that's what she said is that when you, when she finally told you, I don't think it was right away that you were like, I think I want to do a podcast?

Cutter 11:02
Yeah, it was not right away. I actually, I didn't even- I had seen it go around the first time and had decided not to apply, I think at that point. But when it came back around, and when I applied, I started the night before my interview. I brainstormed like eight or nine different podcast ideas. Okay. And this was the one I was most excited about. I was like, this is clearly my best idea. This is the one that I care about. This is the one I want to produce. And I went into the interview. And I, you know, I didn't even touch anything else on the list. Like it was like,

Mrs. McCauley 11:38
You go with your gut.

Cutter 11:38
Yeah, I, I talked about the first one. They're like, wow, that's a really cool idea. I was like, yeah, absolutely. And then I just stopped talking about it. I was like, I don't want to I don't want to like, you know, dampen it by going, by going to my, like, seventh best idea.

Mrs. McCauley 11:50
That's right. Great idea. Right.

Cutter 11:53
So I, you know, finished out the interview, they're like, we really like you, we'll let you know. And I ended up getting the job. And they're like, Hey, we really want you to produce this show. And I was so excited because I was so, so at that point, when I had started coming up with it. I was like, this is clearly like, I already asked Gabby, I was like, this is clearly the story I'm going to tell as my true story. It is wild enough to be so fascinatingly true. Um, and so it was, it was just,

Mrs. McCauley 12:20
Well, when she said, she said she told you and I was like, well, thank, thank goodness, this has gone on for like eight months. And, and again, I I thought it would never come up, you know, like

Cutter 12:32
Right, of course. Of course.

Mrs. McCauley 12:32
It's been almost a year. So then she said, he's doing a podcast and he's, he's incorporating this story. And I was like, What are you talking about? Start again. Clearly, I've missed something that you just said. And you want to talk about it every week on the- I'm like, no. That's not. That's- you misunderstood what he was going to do.

Cutter 12:53
Yeah, no.

Mrs. McCauley 12:54
She's like, no, this is happening.

Cutter 12:56
Yep.

Mrs. McCauley 12:56
And then she was home when she recorded the last episode with you.

Cutter 13:01
Of course. I do remember that. I do remember that.

Mrs. McCauley 13:03
And I purposely like left the house.

Cutter 13:04
Really?

Mrs. McCauley 13:05
Well. She was super nervous. She was super nervous.

Cutter 13:07
I totally understand that.

Mrs. McCauley 13:08
She's in her room.

Cutter 13:09
Yep.

Mrs. McCauley 13:09
And, again, we have the dogs, we live in the city.

Cutter 13:12
Sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 13:13
So I was like, let's just try not to have any. For the quality of the-

Cutter 13:17
I appreciate that- that stuff I can take care of. But I do appreciate that. Makes my life a lot easier.

Mrs. McCauley 13:22
Yeah, I knew us both. Like we didn't really talk about it. She just went and did it, like us talking about it would just make us both more nervous about that.

Cutter 13:22
Ah, okay. Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 13:22
Yup, even with like all the, like the exams at home or the AP exams at home,

Cutter 13:35
Right, right. Yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 13:36
I left the house.

Cutter 13:37
Yeah. Just leave her,

Mrs. McCauley 13:39
I'm like, my stress will go onto your stress. So let me just.

Cutter 13:44
Okay. Fascinating.

Mrs. McCauley 13:45
And she's like, Oh, no, it was fine. And, but she never said anything like about it afterwards.

Cutter 13:50
Right. Sure, sure. It happened. And that's a new thing.

Mrs. McCauley 13:54
It happend and she was taking classes from Jordan. I mean, it was just,

Cutter 13:56
Yeah, sure. Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 13:57
Because you know her, she's got 1000 things going on.

Cutter 13:59
Yes, she does, absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 14:01
But I, when I listened to it, so when- I didn't listen to it as it was going on. I just listened to it like, last week.

Cutter 14:09
Oh, wow. Okay, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 14:10
Because again, I didn't want it to be. I mean, it's her, it's her college. It's her experience. It's your like, I don't want to impose.

Cutter 14:10
Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 14:24
So I listened to the first episode and the last episode, but I really, I love listening to her talk.

Cutter 14:30
Yeah, absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 14:31
You know, like, ah, look at you!

Cutter 14:32
No, it's wonderful.

Mrs. McCauley 14:33
You can like, talk on a podcast. I'm so proud. I'm loving it. Yeah. Yeah, I, I made that. So, she did it, so. As a parent, it's often like that, so

Cutter 14:45
Sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 14:46
But I'm trying to think, I think that's the only time I've ever impersonated her.

Cutter 14:50
You think?

Mrs. McCauley 14:50
Like, I'm not positive, I have to be honest.

Cutter 14:57
How often are you in situations?

Mrs. McCauley 14:59
Well again, she's very busy and over commits at times. So, there are times where it's like, can you just, I don't think it's been pretending but just like, I don't know. Do this one thing.

Cutter 15:12
Oh sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 15:13
You know, cover for me, cover for me or that sort of thing, rather than impersonate me.

Cutter 15:17
Sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 15:19
Even at the time, she did not say, please Mom, impersonate me

Cutter 15:23
Right, she did tell me that.

Mrs. McCauley 15:25
Can you just attend this meeting?

Cutter 15:27
Yeah, she did tell me that that was uh, that was an audible that you that you would call.

Mrs. McCauley 15:30
Total audible.

Cutter 15:31
All right.

Mrs. McCauley 15:31
And honestly, I'm gonna blame it on the computer because when I logged into the Zoom call, it just said Gabriella McCauley and I, why would I mess with that?

Cutter 15:40
Right? Of course.

Mrs. McCauley 15:40
I mean, someone would have said, Wait, that was Gabby, and once you kicked you off and then logged on, that would have been even weirder,

Cutter 15:48
Sure, sure. No, that's, that's hilarious. I'm such a fan. I really, really am. I was talking to uh, when we have, you know, when I had Gabby on and we recorded, you know, on that on that Zoom call for, you know, 40 minutes, however long we talked, um, she mentioned that, she mentioned that you were taking notes on the interview or, not the interview, I'm so sorry, on the meeting. And that all made sense. And I remember I asked I was like, did she- so, I'm asking you, did you write my name down specifically?

Mrs. McCauley 16:18
Oh, I totally. Not that I was ever gonna remember. I get the name Cutter Bell.

Cutter 16:22
Well, it is-

Mrs. McCauley 16:23
only one in the world, right?

Cutter 16:25
Yes, absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 16:25
I definitely. I don't think I wrote. I know I wrote your name down just because I knew it would come up again.

Cutter 16:33
Right, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 16:33
Like, I knew I'd be like,

Cutter 16:34
Just in your-

Mrs. McCauley 16:35
oh, yeah just, Cutter Bell.

Cutter 16:36
Yep.

Mrs. McCauley 16:37
I don't think I you know, I definitely wrote Dr. Bassett's name down.

Cutter 16:40
Oh sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 16:40
I don't remember writing any other names down.

Cutter 16:45
Ah, I'm honored.

Mrs. McCauley 16:46
It was more. Um, and you know, because you're in computer science.

Cutter 16:54
Sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 16:54
And that's one of the reasons, you know, NC State was good because it had so many women in the program-

Cutter 16:59
Absolutely, yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 17:00
-and professors and women professors that, as a parent, she's going to be in a male dominated, you know, industry.

Cutter 17:06
Of course, yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 17:07
I was, I was interested if there was some girls- and she didn't know anybody on campus.

Cutter 17:11
Sure. Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 17:11
She know, she knew her roommate via zoom. So,

Cutter 17:14
Right, naturally, yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 17:15
Like, we're, we're starting with a blank slate here. That I know, I took like a mental note of how many girls were in the Ben Franklin program.

Cutter 17:22
Yeah, absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 17:22
But I did not write anybody's name down. Except Cutter Bell.

Cutter 17:26
Amazing.

Mrs. McCauley 17:27
Amazing. Yeah.

Cutter 17:28
If, if you still have-

Mrs. McCauley 17:30
No way.

Cutter 17:31
That page of- ah.

Mrs. McCauley 17:32
I'm so sorry.

Cutter 17:33
I mean, I don't know, I don't know what I'd do with it. I just think it'd be funny.

Mrs. McCauley 17:34
Yeah, I, I appreciate you think I'm that organized, I am not. I wrote it on a post it note.

Cutter 17:35
Sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 17:39
And I have very scribbly handwriting.

Cutter 17:41
I mean, look, you took notes on a Zoom meeting. That's better than I do for like, some of my classes. So.

Mrs. McCauley 17:47
Well, you know Gabriella well enough, if she asked you to do something, she is going to expect results.

Cutter 17:52
Yeah, no, yes. Absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 17:54
So if I did not show up with at least a post it note with Cutter Bell on it, I was gonna be in trouble. Like, I have Bassett. Maybe you know, however y'all met or whatever.

Cutter 17:54
Sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 17:56
But no, she's, when she asks you to do something. It's going to have to be to a certain level.

Cutter 18:10
No, absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 18:11
Expectation.

Cutter 18:12
Absolutely. Yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 18:15
Like she was, when you're like, just get the meeting. I'm like.

Cutter 18:17
Yeah, no, I mean, I was well aware that she wasn't gonna skip to me. I'm, I'm a very, I'm a very, I'm not a. I don't think, I wouldn't say bad influence. I'm just very much a proponent of um, don't do something if it doesn't make you happy.

Mrs. McCauley 18:34
See, that does make her happy. I mean, yeah

Cutter 18:36
Well, I know, I'm sure it does.

Mrs. McCauley 18:37
Yeah, yeah it does. Uh, she is, um, no.

Cutter 18:42
No. Oh, yeah. I know.

Mrs. McCauley 18:43
Yeah. In this semester, she was like, Well, I'm only taking 15 credits. So I think I'm gonna do it.

Cutter 18:48
That's pretty low for her. That's astonishing.

Mrs. McCauley 18:51
Well, it is. She now is doing this mentorship through the women and minorities.

Cutter 18:56
Oh, okay. Yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 18:57
Then I was like, of course you did.

Cutter 18:59
Yeah. Why not.

Mrs. McCauley 18:59
Because God forbid you take some time and go to the gym, or take-

Cutter 19:03
Have any free time whatsoever.

Mrs. McCauley 19:04
Go and have an ice cream, like, you know, that's not in her,

Cutter 19:08
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, no, I think, yeah, college, college allowed me to unwind from being that at least, you know, like, second semester. Because even, you know, my second semester, I had 18 credits, I had nine classes I was, you know, I was doing a lot all the time. But even still, I, I've always been, you know, a proponent of like, especially in you know, in college more than ever, of, I will sacrifice sleep to get work done. If I have to sacrifice work done to do things, do fun things with people and make memories and that sort of stuff.

Mrs. McCauley 19:40
Yeah.

Cutter 19:41
Um, and that's and that's, you know, always been how I felt just because, again, like I told you, you know, before we started recording, I I've lived my life around, you know, living stories and getting good memories so I can tell stories like this. And really just dive into that because that's what, you know, that's what I'm passionate about. I love storytelling. As, as an art and you know, I know you've talked about a lot of you know, your experiences and involvement with storytelling. Um, but yeah, that's for me. That's always been the, I'd rather, I'd rather make a memory and lose a few hours of sleep over it.

Mrs. McCauley 20:12
Yeah.

Cutter 20:12
You know, then just.

Mrs. McCauley 20:14
I think she's make, making up for lost time,

Cutter 20:16
I think. Yeah, I think so.

Mrs. McCauley 20:17
So. Yeah. But she's always been. I have a meeting, and then I have practice, and then I'm going to a thing. And yeah, and uh, so. And that's why we gave her a car because it was more like, you're not going to get all, your list is not gonna get done, and have notes at the end of the day if you can't get where you wanted yet.

Mrs. McCauley 20:21
Right, of course, of course. Yeah, absolutely. No, yeah, Gabby's wonderful. Um. Okay, I've got a question.

Mrs. McCauley 20:43
Yeah.

Cutter 20:44
Um, Gabby told me, and I don't know how true this is, or if I'm misremembering, right.

Mrs. McCauley 20:52
She's such a liar.

Cutter 20:52
Yeah. Well, I- Whoa.

Mrs. McCauley 20:54
No, I'm kidding. Never. Let me just say, I don't know if you know.

Cutter 20:58
Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 20:58
She does not have a poker face.

Cutter 21:00
No, I do know that, she does not.

Mrs. McCauley 21:01
No poker face. And she also is, was the kid where she would do something wrong. And you would say, Well, you know, you're supposed to say you're sorry. And she's like, Well, I'm not sorry. And you're like, uh, I guess I can't argue with that.

Cutter 21:15
Well, yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 21:17
I'm not going to tell you something I don't feel, so. Yeah.

Cutter 21:19
Yeah no, absolutely. Gabby, Gabby, very much so is, is blunt and to the point, mainly in a very, like, responsible way. But no, she told me. And again, this may be me misremembering it, but she told me that when you came, when she came back and asked for your notes on the meeting, that you had said that you had met this, this guy named Cutter that she had to be friends with. Was that?

Mrs. McCauley 21:44
Yeah. Yes. When you're starting with a blank piece of paper,

Cutter 21:49
Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 21:49
As a parent and you know that, you know, it's going to be a weird semester.

Cutter 21:54
Right, right.

Mrs. McCauley 21:55
Um, yeah, that, that I'm like this person is- you're in the Ben Franklin. You're both computer science.

Cutter 22:02
Yup, absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 22:02
And aren't you cybersecurity too?

Cutter 22:04
Yes, intended, yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 22:05
Yeah. So there's so many things that you had in common. I was like, I'm sure if you yell out in a crowd, only one person is going to turn around if you say cutter.

Cutter 22:15
That is,

Mrs. McCauley 22:16
So that, that should be the person that you should go look for.

Cutter 22:19
You know, as much as, as much as that should be true. I remember I attended our first year engineering design day, and saw in one of the live chats someone else who had signed in with their first name as Cutter.

Mrs. McCauley 22:35
No.

Cutter 22:36
And I was so astonished. And I remember I messaged in that chat,

Mrs. McCauley 22:40
Yeah.

Cutter 22:41
multiple times, like, like, who are you? I need to know who you are. We have to be friends. With the same name? Never got a response. Never. I was, I'm so distraught.

Mrs. McCauley 22:51
Maybe it was a typo.

Cutter 22:52
I, maybe. But I'm so upset about it.

Mrs. McCauley 22:53
Because his name was butter. I mean, what?

Cutter 22:55
Right, like what else? Like, Cutler?

Mrs. McCauley 22:58
Okay, alright.

Cutter 22:58
That's, that's, at least, I can think of at least one person with that name. No, yeah. Yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 23:06
Okay.

Cutter 23:07
Whatever. I mean, you know, I was, I was so, I was so upset though, that, you know, this, this Cutter. Like, I logged on social media for like, several hours after. I was like, you go to State, you're a first year engineering design student. And we have the same name. That's, that's absurd. That's absolutely absurd.

Mrs. McCauley 23:25
Not happening. No.

Cutter 23:25
I need to be friends with them. I could not, could not ever find them. I was so upset. I really, really desperately wanted to be friends with the other Cutter.

Mrs. McCauley 23:32
Well, I definitely did tell Gabriella, you, this, you must be friends with Cutter. That is, you know, like, again, as a parent. It's not our first kid to send to college.

Cutter 23:42
Sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 23:44
Oh, you know, out of state, right? Don't know anybody. This seems like a safe person to hang out with. You know. This person seems like,

Cutter 23:52
Thank you.

Mrs. McCauley 23:52
Yeah. I mean, and honestly, the questions because I was afraid to ask a question.

Cutter 23:57
Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 23:57
On the Zoom, breakout. You asked the questions she would have asked.

Cutter 24:04
Yeah, yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 24:05
You know, I know one of them was like, I'm coming in with 1000 AP credits. You know, what, how do I make the best use of these? What's gonna be?

Cutter 24:13
Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 24:13
How can I get more? Can I graduate in four years? That was the other. With the double major.

Cutter 24:17
Absolutely, absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 24:19
How much tuition am I paying? And how long do I have to pay it for?

Cutter 24:22
Yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 24:22
So, you asked some of the questions that she would have definitely asked.

Cutter 24:26
Ah. Okay. Sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 24:28
It was, was also that you guys we're sort of in the same mindset of, I really like this program and I want to make it work for me because the person that was talking to you, the, she was also computer science, wasn't she?

Cutter 24:40
I believe so.

Mrs. McCauley 24:41
I think so too. Not, and, but you guys were in the new. The cybersecurity. Like, she didn't have a lot of answers either. I do remember that. Like. It's a student. She's not an advisor.

Cutter 24:51
Yeah, absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 24:52
But, the questions you asked were exactly what she would have asked.

Cutter 24:55
Ah, okay. Sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 24:57
Not that she gave me a list but, there was like,

Cutter 25:00
yeah, I mean, no, I'm sure you would know, like, yeah, absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 25:03
What we were all wondering about with the program.

Cutter 25:05
Of course.

Mrs. McCauley 25:05
Yeah.

Cutter 25:06
It's, yeah. So funny. Yeah, I really went into it with this mindset of, you know, if I get the chance to ask questions, I'm just gonna ask a million questions. Because I don't, because I don't know anybody, because you know, we're, it's a weird time. We're, it's the first time,

Mrs. McCauley 25:19
And it's a safe place to do it on a Zoom call. Not like you're raising your hand.

Cutter 25:23
Right, right, yeah,

Mrs. McCauley 25:24
In a room of 200 people

Cutter 25:25
Right. I was like, I can, I can get away with kind of whatever.

Mrs. McCauley 25:28
Yeah.

Cutter 25:29
And so I figured, I was like, maybe it'll you know, maybe it'll make a good impression. Maybe somebody will be. But no, genuinely-

Mrs. McCauley 25:34
You were getting brownie points right away.

Cutter 25:36
-what I thought. Genuinely what I thought. I was like, maybe if I asked, you know, the right questions or enough questions. Somebody's gonna go wow, what a good guy. I, maybe,

Mrs. McCauley 25:44
Well, I did. I said, what a good guy. You should be friends, with. You did me. Of the two people in the Zoom call. I was like, Yeah, that sounds like somebody.

Cutter 25:54
Hey, I'll take 50%.

Mrs. McCauley 25:56
Yeah. I don't know what to get you in the end Cutter. Unfortunately. You have to hang out with, you know, Gabriella now.

Cutter 26:00
Well, I mean, you just live so far away. It's just so inconvenient.

Mrs. McCauley 26:03
Well, and you know, you guys are welcome anytime

Cutter 26:06
Believe me. Uh, we have already, I've already tried to plan a trip up to DC several times. Like over the summer, I was probably, there were a few times where I was probably a few hours away from just like leaving and just going up there.

Mrs. McCauley 26:19
Living in the city, you know, like the nation's capital, you, it's part of the residential requirement is that you just house whoever shows up.

Cutter 26:27
Really?

Mrs. McCauley 26:28
Yes. It's because it's such an easy city, you just arrive and everything is free. And then public transportation is so easy, and we can walk to the Metro. Like, that is not people knocking on the door and saying that they just happen to stop by is not unusual in our household. So.

Cutter 26:43
Huh. That is fascinating.

Mrs. McCauley 26:44
People of all ages and-

Cutter 26:46
Sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 26:47
-dialects and everything else.

Cutter 26:49
Wow. That's fascinating. That's wonderful.

Mrs. McCauley 26:50
Yeah. That's the sort of the, the feel of the city, so that would not be weird.

Cutter 26:55
Sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 26:56
I wouldn't turn you away Cutter. But yeah, and owning a restaurant, too, is the other part of the hospitality.

Cutter 27:01
Of course, of course, yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 27:02
You're never gonna go hungry at our house.

Cutter 27:04
Oh, lovely.

Mrs. McCauley 27:05
Yeah. We all, we didn't. Uh, I just made cookies when I came for pairs. But I didn't make, she, we didn't. But we brought, so we're staying with friends.

Cutter 27:13
Oh, sure. Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 27:14
My best friend, one of my best friends from high school. We introduced her to one of my husband's fraternity brothers. They got married.

Cutter 27:20
Oh.

Mrs. McCauley 27:21
Before we did.

Cutter 27:22
Oh, wow.

Mrs. McCauley 27:23
And she's from Raleigh. All of her family lives here. She arrived with meat sauce, that, four different kinds of soup.

Cutter 27:30
Ah.

Mrs. McCauley 27:30
So we sort of probably the cooler.

Cutter 27:33
Yeah, totally, absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 27:34
Or being in the house. That was not, but when she moves into an apartment next year, I'm sure she will sort of have that. Italian. Hospitality.

Cutter 27:41
I can only imagine. I can only imagine.

Mrs. McCauley 27:44
Yeah, yeah. So don't hesitate anytime you want to come to DC.

Cutter 27:47
That's wonderful. I will. I've already started. I think myself. I don't know who all you've met in your time down here.

Mrs. McCauley 27:55
I met Sean last night.

Cutter 27:56
Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 27:56
And of course I know Bailey.

Cutter 27:57
Yeah. Naturally.

Mrs. McCauley 27:59
And all of her roommates now and stuff.

Cutter 28:03
Sure. Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 28:04
Yeah. It's been, it's been weird trying to meet people just because all of the stuff.

Cutter 28:07
Absolutely. Yeah. No, it's very odd. No, but.

Mrs. McCauley 28:10
You guys are all busy. You guys are all doing your own thing. So that's, that's great.

Cutter 28:14
Yeah, it's lovely. No, I think you know, I've been talking to John and Bailey and Kaylin, who you haven't gotten the chance to meet.

Mrs. McCauley 28:20
I haven't met Kaylin.

Cutter 28:21
But we've all been talking about trying to plan a trip up to DC potentially over you know, over some some break that's coming up. So who knows? Maybe I'll, honestly, I think it'd be a lovely time, I think. I mean, of course, with your permission by that point,

Mrs. McCauley 28:36
I already gave you. I didn't give you a key yet. But, you're, anytime.

Cutter 28:39
No no no no. Hey. I'm about to ask for permission for much more. So don't you worry.

Mrs. McCauley 28:43
All right.

Cutter 28:43
You know, of course, with your permission. And you know, I assume Season Two of You'll Never Believe Me But will have started by then. I would love to bring some, we have portable microphone sets here. I would love to grab a portable microphone set and end up up there. I don't know what would get recorded. If anything. I just think it'd be nice to have in the event that something comes up. Or just a weird little one off.

Mrs. McCauley 29:05
Yeah. You have this, now you travel with microphone?

Cutter 29:07
Yes.

Mrs. McCauley 29:07
That's part of the deal. I got it.

Cutter 29:08
Absolutely. I went to, I went to, this past summer I went to the beach with my family and another family that we're very close with. Um, and I was, I was probably like, I was very close to bringing microphones with me. Because my dad, I love my dad. I adore my dad. He's hilarious. I adore my whole family. My mom's hilarious, my dad's hilarious. mannerisms hilarious. But when my dad and then the dad of this other family get together, it is a, it is a riot. Um, and so I was, I was very close to bringing microphones and just like having them on.

Mrs. McCauley 29:43
Yeah.

Cutter 29:43
In the house and just like seeing if I catch anything, like, any of those moments.

Mrs. McCauley 29:47
Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah.

Cutter 29:48
And I didn't, mostly because my dad talked me out of it. Because he was like yeah, you know, it's not, it wouldn't be you know, the natural, in the moment.

Mrs. McCauley 29:55
You'd have to have it running all the time where it would sort of just disappear into the background.

Cutter 29:59
And yeah, I did not disagree. And I, I don't know. It was a really funny trip. There were a lot of really funny moments, but I think, you know, he's, his comedy and the humor that they have is so you know, it's so situational.

Mrs. McCauley 30:10
Yeah. Visual.

Cutter 30:11
So, yeah, visual as well. And it's very situational and just kind of happens in an instant. And so I think it'd be hard to like parse and get through. And so if I brought it up, it wouldn't be you know, a situation where it would be alright, let's set up these mics.

Mrs. McCauley 30:24
Okay.

Cutter 30:25
And whatever. I have no idea. Yeah, that that's as far as I got.

Mrs. McCauley 30:29
Okay. All right.

Cutter 30:31
But either way, I think-

Mrs. McCauley 30:32
You have permission to do all of that.

Cutter 30:33
Ah, wonderful. Thank you so much.

Mrs. McCauley 30:36
Yeah, again, the kind of household that we have, it's,

Cutter 30:40
Sure, sure

Mrs. McCauley 30:41
I wouldn't say open door policy, just because we live in the city, you have to lock the door.

Cutter 30:46
Of course.

Mrs. McCauley 30:47
You never know what's cooking, or who's coming or like, disasters happening. You know, I actually just checked the phone this morning to make sure that you know, the Capitol, everything was okay in order to go home tomorrow,

Cutter 31:02
Oh, sure of course. Sure.

Mrs. McCauley 31:02
What happened yesterday.

Cutter 31:03
Right, right.

Mrs. McCauley 31:05
How much fencing is still up and do we need to reroute or whatever. So that, you know, you just got to keep your your eyes on a swivel in DC.

Cutter 31:14
Yeah, that's fascinating. It's, it's such an interesting like place for people who are not politicians to live. I feel like stuff like that is something that, you know, like I would never have to think about, like coming back to Raleigh.

Mrs. McCauley 31:28
Right.

Cutter 31:29
That's so fascinating.

Mrs. McCauley 31:30
And, well, and also like people cycle through with administrations like,

Cutter 31:34
Sure, sure

Mrs. McCauley 31:35
It's very transient, but in our neck of the woods, it's honestly, the majority of the street I mean we've been there 22 years, so. It's a lot of-

Cutter 31:44
Oh wow, yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 31:45
As the schools have improved and stuff, but Gabriella was laughing when she got here. And one of her roommates was like, Well, you shouldn't walk around after dark. Gabriella's like, I think it'll be fine. Like, she's just like.

Cutter 31:57
Yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 31:58
I got it.

Cutter 31:59
Yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 31:59
Like, not going to be a problem.

Cutter 32:01
Right.

Mrs. McCauley 32:01
Rode in public transportation across town to school at like, nine. So,

Cutter 32:06
Yeah. Not, no, that's I mean,

Mrs. McCauley 32:07
Raleigh's. Walking for us. State's campus is not gonna.

Cutter 32:11
Yeah, Raleigh may as well be the suburb.

Mrs. McCauley 32:14
Totally.

Cutter 32:14
Absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 32:15
And she definitely. A popular PE credit in high school was self defense.

Cutter 32:21
Sure. I can only imagine.

Mrs. McCauley 32:22
So watch out, anybody, that'd like to sneak up on her. She know's what she's doing, so.

Cutter 32:28
I don't doubt that, I don't doubt that. That is, that is phenomenal. Yeah. DC is such a fascinating place. I, I, you know,

Mrs. McCauley 32:34
It is. And if you haven't been in sort of been in a non like, school,

Cutter 32:38
Yeah no, that's the only, that's the only, you know, instance.

Mrs. McCauley 32:43
There's so many fun. You know, like I said, free, that's not much.

Cutter 32:47
Yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 32:47
Just available to anyone at any time. So.

Cutter 32:51
That's awesome. That's wonderful. Well, I think I'm actually out of questions.

Mrs. McCauley 32:58
Okay.

Cutter 32:58
I mean, I, you know, I've gotten to know you, you know, through just conversation. But I'm asked the main questions I want to ask, I want to open you know, the floor to if you have any questions about anything, it can be the show, it can be me, it can be anything,

Mrs. McCauley 33:11
I'm so impressed that you, you had an idea. And you went with it. Like, I don't know. Like that, that says a lot about you, that-

Cutter 33:20
Thank you. I appreciate that.

Mrs. McCauley 33:20
-You had an idea, you developed it and then you got other people to come on the show, that you're like, Yeah, I'm making this show, would you like to come on? And you had other guests. And then,

Cutter 33:28
Yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 33:28
That says a lot to you, and that you're going to do Season Two.

Cutter 33:30
Thank you. I'm so excited for season two,

Mrs. McCauley 33:32
Well, are you going to do the same format where you say something on the first episode that everybody?

Cutter 33:37
It is going to be the same, the same rough format, this is a little sneak peek. For everyone who listens to this little bonus episode of the format of season two, it is going to be mostly the same. I'm going to start playing with the formula on a per episode basis. Like I think I've I've lined up um, potentially having two people on one show and having each of them tell the story.

Mrs. McCauley 33:57
Okay.

Cutter 33:58
And doing some fun, you know, some fun stuff like that. Getting some fun new guests. I've got a professor that I think I can convince to come on here.

Mrs. McCauley 34:06
Oh okay.

Cutter 34:06
The eventual goal. I'd love to have the chancellor on. I think that'd be so funny.

Mrs. McCauley 34:10
Oh, okay, you're dreaming big now.

Cutter 34:12
Yeah, now I'm, now I'm in, yeah. Now the sky's the limit, really.

Mrs. McCauley 34:16
Okay.

Cutter 34:18
No, but I don't know if Gabby told you that she's, I've, I've asked her and she's agreed to be the first guest on season two.

Mrs. McCauley 34:24
I am impressed because she doesn't like to be the center of attention at all.

Cutter 34:29
Yeah, yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 34:30
That's a family trait in itself,

Cutter 34:32
Sure, sure.

Mrs. McCauley 34:32
But um. No, I, that says a lot about her trust in you.

Cutter 34:36
Yeah, absolutely.

Mrs. McCauley 34:37
That she's like, Sure.

Cutter 34:38
No, and I'm, and I'm very, I'm very grateful because she, she is a beautiful speaker. So I mean, very lucky to have her agree to come on, you know, the start of season two, and hey, maybe when I come up, you can be on season two as well.

Mrs. McCauley 34:50
Sure!

Cutter 34:51
I'm looking forward to it. I know. Ugh, I'm gonna make it up there. I promise.

Mrs. McCauley 34:56
No problem. I was gonna say, it's an old house. You might-

Cutter 35:00
Eh.

Mrs. McCauley 35:00
-have to bring your own power with it.

Cutter 35:02
It's- what?

Mrs. McCauley 35:04
I was well, you're gonna break a circuit breaker.

Cutter 35:07
Oh, no, no, no. I don't even have to plug them in.

Mrs. McCauley 35:09
Oh, you don't?

Cutter 35:10
No.

Mrs. McCauley 35:10
Oh!

Cutter 35:11
Yeah. No. They're field mics for like interviews and like concerts and music festivals and stuff.

Mrs. McCauley 35:15
Alright. Okay.

Cutter 35:16
Yeah.

Mrs. McCauley 35:17
And I know nothing about-

Cutter 35:18
It's all good.

Mrs. McCauley 35:19
This equipment.

Cutter 35:20
That's yeah, no, that is that is a very niche thing that you would have no reason to know about. Yeah, would probably just be me and you sitting across the dining room table holding microphones.

Mrs. McCauley 35:28
Alright.

Cutter 35:28
It would be lovely. Well, Mrs. McCauley. Thank you so, so, so much for taking the time out of Parents Weekend and all of this to come talk to me about this weird little thing that happened as a result of just a funny series of events. I really do appreciate you and all the time that you've given me. So thank you so much.

Mrs. McCauley 35:49
Oh, it's my pleasure. Anytime.

Cutter 35:50
So yeah, I got to talk to Mrs. McCauley about her side of story. Sorry, Grace's mom. Mrs. McCauley. Grace, Gabby's Mom. It's a lot, I know. And it's still a lot for me. But I got to talk to Grace's mom about her side of the story. It was a fascinating little look into her perspective that I genuinely up until this interview just didn't have access to. But as she said, and as I said, and have said and will continue to say, it really did take on a life of its own outside of really what it had any right to be. So to Mrs. McCauley, thank you so much for taking the time to come and talk to me about your side of things. It's just a nice little bit of bonus information, really flesh out that story from a perspective that I am, not really a lot of people have had up until this point. But that's it. That's gonna do it for this little bonus episode of You'll Never Believe Me But. Season two is coming soon. There are a few things that I need to finalize just very barely, but I think I have my two stories picked actually. So, I'm looking forward to that and looking forward to sharing them with you. I'm looking forward to getting into Season Two of You'll Never Believe Me But, but until then, I hope this will tide you over for just a little bit until we get Season Two up and rolling. That will do it for this bonus episode. Our intro music is pop nugget off of compositions two used under the Creative Commons License found on Free Music Archive our outro music is vintage news of Production Music used under the Creative Commons license, also found off Music Archive. I've been Cutter. This has been You'll Never Believe Me But, and thank you all for listening. Good day and good night.

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